Oulton Park v2

[Gary]

Just wanted to remind all that version 2 is on the schedule, there are 4 versions available. Make sure your track folder is "oulton2".

I prefer John Black's 67 version (snob alert)...have there been fewer discos with v2?

JC at Oulton;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJDkZYhJR1E


Uh-oh..looks like NASS has had some serious disco problems with v2;
http://www.yaol.us/RaceResults.php?idRace=388
YAOL '03 had 2 discos;
http://www.yaol.us/RaceResults.php?idRace=136

Speedgeezers has seen problems too..
http://forums.speedgeezers.net/index.php?showtopic=21200&st=20

[Lapo Nustrini]

Just thought I'd touch base and let you know that I will be AWOL again this week.  Hoping to make it for the season finale next week.
I'm not sure about Oulton2 being an issue, but given the lack of response its perhaps too late to do anything about it now.
We should try to ensure we keep any dubious tracks of next season's schedule.  (BTW, its almost time to start thinking about it already!)

Good luck to all and apologies for the lack of attendance.  (Daylight saving changes have made the time harder to find...)

Cheers,

Lapo

[Phil Redman]

Just to note, on the opening lap I had to reset at the hairpin. I then completely forgot to stop in the pits and I finally realized after the race and shutting down the computer. Sorry to make it necessary to correct the results.

[Dean_0]

 My  Apologies :
To Phill for hitting his car and putting him on his lid.     i didn't realise that you had crashed , If anyone cares i don't think he should be penalized  for no stop\go as it was totally my fault ! sry..

Pretty good racing till mid way through ,a very ugly track , but seems to be stable enough ?
Grats to!
Jim and the Bill's !

Dean_0

[Bill McComber]

Grats Jimmy Boy!!! Nice drive. Good second too Bill.

Well, once again I, for some reason, put it into 2nd gear on grid. Thought it might have been a double tap on paddle, but watching replay there's a good few seconds between each gear selection so I clearly did it for some reason. Keep the replies nice now.    Anyway, I don't think it caused to much havoc on start but did cost me two spots. With Gary in front I almost tagged him for braking point going into left hander before hairpin then kept inside to show myself in his mirrors. He went slightly wide maybe gave to much throttle causing one of those lazy spins we all hate. I tried to sneak by inside but got clipped causing a traffic jam. Sorry guys. And Rob, I see what you were talking about in chat about tapping me, no prob at all of course, my fault for being there hehe. After got pinted right way let all affected by then set off after Phil. Good chase there for a few till he went wide at the Dunlop footbridge and let me by at the next right hander. It was now Dean L in front who went wide at both T1 then again at T2 which allowed to get by. It was Rob now ahead for a few laps. I think he let me by after T2 for the (no fault) tap earlier L1, or maybe still adjusting to the G25. And Rob, if you see another for $260 let me know would ya? With Jim ahead now I knew it was just hang on and see, and JUST hang on I did. I saw in pribluda Gary gaining on DeanO and thought something might come of that. A few laps later I saw yellow at the left before the hairpin gaining me 2. With half race gone now, I see Jim gaining on Bill and I thought Bill might try to coast for the win, but seeing the times close up vs laps left, I knew they'd be fighting allowing me to gain. They did fight for a few but I was watching them to much and made my own mistakes that kept me in third.

Good race and tricky/tough track to get consistent on.
Bill

[Bill Clark]

  With those qual times, I was expecting a great, close race between the 7 guys all within a second of each other.  That battle was decided at T-4, lap 1, and I barely made it by on the left.  I was in second, could see JC up ahead but could do nothing about it.  After quite a few laps I see a yellow and there's a red car off to the side.  All I could think about after that was the fuel penalty for 1st.  Obviously I wasn't too worried or I would have pulled over for a brew.  So I drove as consistantly as I could without emploding.  Then JC showed up on my pit board... 8 sec..7,6,5,4,3,2,1 back,  coming down the back straight, the right hander before the final corner, my back end pushed out a little, I had to check it, lost a half sec and JC passed heading down to the final corner.  I didn't have time to think about defending it all happened so fast.  I think he was faster through that section anyway.  My oil temp was aleady pegged so I didn't try to battle with him after the pass.  All in all a fairly lonely race for me I was hoping for another Zandy.

    Look at the race results for Zandy,  fast laps shared by 7 of the 9 guys entered, pretty cool.  Podiums, more determined by luck and consistancy, than overall speed, at least for me!

   On to Charade, Dean-O's fav!!  With 25 or 30 gallons for me, Oh Lord!
 
   Way to go Jim and Bill.

  (T)Bill

[Gary]

Halfway though quaily, I lost connection. My isp had a drop-out and after disconnecting my router, directly connecting my pc to the rebooted modem, I was able to get back to the track with a couple of minutes to spare but not enough time to burn fuel and improve my time. It was an omen of things to come.

At the start, Mac in front got away slow. I whipped around him praying that the Honda's would not be in the same space I wanted, that one was answered. For some reason I stayed in second gear too long and was completely out of rhythm through Cascades and down to Shell.

Apologies to everyone for my slide at Shell, cold tires, too much throttle. I waited for most, figuring I would give back spaces as the race progressed. I knew I owed Mac. In pirbluda I could see Mac regaining. I set off again, caught back up to DW, but it all came undone.

DW and I have been going back and forth on this in pm's. My position is that when a driver KNOWS he is under attack, KNOWS someone is along side, then he should give space. DW disagrees, the result speaks for itself.

After a pitstop and a slide, I gave up in disgust. There wasn't much of a point.

[Bill McComber]

Well my pov worth from me. In this replay , Lapo and myself at Solitude, in a near identical situation. That is to say, lead car gets slower exit than trailing car, trailing car gains but just not enough on leading car for next left hander. Trailing car backs off while leading car takes slightly wider line through corner. Result = no incident, both live to fight another corner. Both showed patience, respect, and situational awareness. I've raced both Gary and DeanO lots and have come across similar if not identical situations with each with success. So why the % of contact with these two? Anyway, I think my replay shows awareness from both drivers and can help out.

Bill

[Jim Carvalho65]

Congrats on a well run race, Bill C. Too bad about your start and later spin, Mac. After my spin down to fourth, I figured I'd be lucky to keep that spot. The fuel adjustments and everyone's talents have done an outstanding job of keeping things close. My lack of participation this season probably has as much to do with my win as anything: No races = No fuel adjustment! Re: Gary and DeanO: After many disastrous attempts of my own to pass when not cleanly by, I make it a practice to slow a bit and continue the fun. But, hey. That's just me. My banker just sniggers when I bring in some YAOL points totals. No respect.

I was sad to see the incident.

Jim C

[Dean_0]

For the last couple day's, i had been thinking I should thank GT, for keeping the fight in the pm's.
I guess that's no longer needed ..

Dean_0

[Gary]

Well my pov worth from me. In this replay , Lapo and myself at Solitude, in a near identical situation. That is to say, lead car gets slower exit than trailing car, trailing car gains but just not enough on leading car for next left hander. Trailing car backs off while leading car takes slightly wider line through corner. Result = no incident, both live to fight another corner. Both showed patience, respect, and situational awareness. I've raced both Gary and DeanO lots and have come across similar if not identical situations with each with success. So why the % of contact with these two? Anyway, I think my replay shows awareness from both drivers and can help out.

Bill

Check lap 3 of Oulton, space and respect shown.
The rule of thumb for me is to use the full track when I'm pretty sure I can, use half when I don't know.

[Bill McComber]

I watched lap 3 and didn't see anything special. But maybe you meant end of lap 2, perfect example, Gary and DeanO going into last corner exactly as I stated. Lead car takes slightly wider line through corner while trailing car lets off throttle a little early and keeps corner tight. So point proven that it can be done, but, why did T3 happen then. And since watching T2 I saw AA bumped off by Rob and not waited for.

And this is a discussion not a fight. We as a league should discuss issues so we can air things out and improve, this is for fun after all. Our numbers aren't huge that we can exactly have people leave because they're upset can we, and we wouldn't want that even if we had a driver wait list would we.

Anyway, one race left this season so lets get things settled out for a healthy next season.

Bill

[Gary]

But maybe you meant end of lap 2, perfect example, Gary and DeanO going into last corner exactly as I stated. Lead car takes slightly wider line through corner while trailing car lets off throttle a little early and keeps corner tight. So point proven that it can be done, but, why did T3 happen then. And since watching T2 I saw AA bumped off by Rob and not waited for.

And this is a discussion not a fight. We as a league should discuss issues so we can air things out and improve, this is for fun after all. Our numbers aren't huge that we can exactly have people leave because they're upset can we, and we wouldn't want that even if we had a driver wait list would we.

Anyway, one race left this season so lets get things settled out for a healthy next season.

Bill

That is what I'm talking about too, I gave space when DW had the momentum coming down to the last turn (Lodge) on L2. I knew he was there, I had no problem holding my line and allowing him to run his line. I don't feel the same thing happened on L11. I eased up going into Island, knowing I would have to hold a tight inside line, which would turn into an outside line through Shell and Hilltop. DW knew I was there, he admitted such.  I felt at that moment I had a legit position and should be afforded space, I had established position before turn-in. His position is that I had not  established "substantial" overlap, but he at that moment did not know that since I was out of his mirrors pulling up along side. He still had advantage due to his position, being on the outside of Island Bend.

My point still is; when you know, use all of the track, when you don't, use half.

[Dean_0]

Ok i need to clear the air ;

I have always assumed that (overlap) meant at the front of the car being passed or the car in front? ,but after going back and reading the rules in the league pages,about 10 times !  Iv'e found that what he actually meant was at the back of the car being passed ,it seemed to make sense to me , because using the front of the car in a contested pass to gauge overlap , would allow the lead car to see the car coming out of the blind spot , which means the car that was in the lead has to now give up the rights to take his line , if the passing car was not in his view ,He has the option to press the issue or not give room and take his line ? , but at the  peril of both cars ?  Or to say it another way ? the passing car would have to have at the very least his front ahead of the car he was passing, but it doesn't sound like that is what he was saying because , from the rules ;
you need to leave room simply if you have reason to believe someone might be beside you.
 Ex . Picture of ferrari and lotus side by side , gpl behavior page.
 2 Its too late for the Lotus to guard the inside line at this stage. He's missed his chance.
What happens next will depend on whether the Lotus driver leaves room or not.

SO !  I owe Gary and Bill a big appoligy! for thinking i was within my rights to do so? Believe me guy's I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it but it DID turn into that ,all because i read the rules the wrong way .

When i started racing online  with IROC and many others this seemed to be the accepted way of deciding who  had corner rights so i didn't question it ,and seemed to get along fine?   BTW in my very first race with YAOL i drove up inside a car on the first lap and wrecked someone -I forget who it was but I totally embarrased myself with that move, appoligized after , and decided i would not try that again ,  LOL!

Gary and I have had the same issue at a couple other races in past seasons to be sure ? and i falsly thought it was mostly his fault?
NOTE !  Gary you were right, i was wrong

Now having said all that? i know this is getting long he heh!

I am still of the opinion that a driver diving  into a position inside  another car going into a turn (a late braking move Etc. ) is actually a blocking move from the rear, it forces the car up front to react to the car on the inside which will slow both cars , In the real races they considered it that and i see no reason to argue with it?
I bet some won't agree with that position but, for me i won't do it unless of course the driver in front of makes a mistake that puts me there ,you know because i have to brake hard or somthing?

That isn't what happened on lap 11 Btw   ,Gary DID establish overlap on me ,according to  my new understanding of the rules.


The other thing i don't like is blocking someone coming out of turn ,which i know leaves me open  to a side by side thing but i just don't want to go there ? I would rather give the passer every opportunity to make his pass cleanly .

The rule page says that in the situation like on lap 11 i should have moved to the left to block Gary from drawing up beside me , well i just don't want to do it , i think it's an aggressive move that isn't a good idea , givin the limitations of GPL . Most leagues allow one blocking move per lap , but i find i lose count at some tracks, or in the heat of battle , so i just avoid it to keep it simple   ,,,,your opinions of course may vary?

Hope this clears the air, and the track?

Once again Guy's I appoligize for not understanding the rules fully .
See yaa?
Dean_0

[Rob Burns]

Argh!!!!  I made a mistake....I thought that it was Bill Mc. that I went into the back of, not Aulden. Thinking this, I slowed, allowing both DeanO and Gary past...but carried on with the thought that Bill Mc. was going to catch me up at some point. This he did, and when he did I slowed and let him past me.

My apologies to Aulden!!!! I entered into the corner without the intention of trying to pass you but still carrying too much speed for us both. My apologies.